Legislature(2021 - 2022)BUTROVICH 205

04/30/2021 01:30 PM Senate JUDICIARY

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+= SJR 6 CONST. AM: PERM FUND & PFDS TELECONFERENCED
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Heard & Held
-- Invited & Public Testimony --
+= SJR 7 CONST. AM: STATE TAX; VOTER APPROVAL TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Invited & Public Testimony --
**Streamed live on AKL.tv**
           SJR 7-CONST. AM: STATE TAX; VOTER APPROVAL                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:42:18 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR   HOLLAND  reconvened   the  meeting   and  announced   the                                                               
consideration  of  SENATE  JOINT   RESOLUTION  NO.  7,  Proposing                                                               
amendments to  the Constitution of  the State of  Alaska relating                                                               
to  prohibiting the  establishment  of a  state  tax without  the                                                               
approval  of  the  voters  of  the state;  and  relating  to  the                                                               
initiative process.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
[This was the first hearing on SJR 7.]                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:42:41 PM                                                                                                                    
MIKE  BARNHILL,  Deputy   Commissioner,  Department  of  Revenue,                                                               
Juneau,  Alaska, began  a  PowerPoint on  SJR  7 by  paraphrasing                                                               
slide 2:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
        • SJR 7 amends article 9, section 1 of the Alaska                                                                       
          Constitution:                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
        • Requires voter approval for any new tax enacted                                                                       
          by the legislature                                                                                                    
          • Article 9, section 1(b)                                                                                             
          • A form of direct democracy                                                                                          
          • Functionally,   authorizes     an    automatic                                                                      
             referendum on new taxes                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
        • Requires legislative approval for any new tax                                                                         
          enacted by initiative                                                                                                 
          • Article 9, section 1(c)                                                                                             
          • Amends the people's constitutional initiative                                                                       
             power                                                                                                              
        • Functionally, a form of checks and balances                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BARNHILL  characterized  section  1  (b)  as  a  prepackaged                                                               
referendum.  Whenever the  legislature  enacts a  new state  tax,                                                               
voters  will  have  an  opportunity   to  reject  it  under  this                                                               
amendment to the constitution. If  Alaskans enacted a tax through                                                               
the initiative  process, section 1 (c)  would require legislative                                                               
approval.  In  this  sense,  SJR   5  would  amend  the  people's                                                               
constitutional  initiative  power  to add  legislative  approval,                                                               
thus providing  a form of  checks and balances.  He characterized                                                               
this    as   essentially    coupling   direct    democracy   with                                                               
representative  democracy  by requiring  both  to  enact any  new                                                               
state tax.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:45:07 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR SHOWER asked if the  people have ever taxed themselves in                                                               
this manner.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARNHILL answered  no; then clarified that  the marijuana tax                                                               
was done by initiative.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:45:27 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MYERS concurred.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:45:53 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KIEHL asked  what was  wrong  that needs  fixing in  the                                                               
current referendum language.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARNHILL said,  "Nothing is broken." SJR  7 acknowledges that                                                               
the state  likely cannot  rely on  oil taxes,  so the  state will                                                               
need to rely on taxes to  pay for government services. The policy                                                               
concept in  SJR 7 is to  provide the people with  a more powerful                                                               
voice  and  legislative  consideration whenever  enacting  a  new                                                               
state tax.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  KIEHL pointed  out  that the  state  has previously  had                                                               
statewide taxes in place, including  those enacted by initiatives                                                               
and  others that  were legislatively  enacted,  which were  later                                                               
repealed. He maintained  that he did not understand  the need for                                                               
SJR 7.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARNHILL  restated that the  intent of SJR  7 is to  give the                                                               
people a stronger voice.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:47:37 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  HUGHES  said  SJR  7  relates  to  any  new  taxes.  She                                                               
described  a scenario  in which  the  state enacted  a 2  percent                                                               
sales tax. She  asked if the legislature  subsequently raises the                                                               
tax rate to  10 percent whether it would be  considered a new tax                                                               
under SJR 7.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BARNHILL  responded  that   the  hypothetical  scenario  she                                                               
described  would   not  go  before   the  voters.  In   the  last                                                               
legislative  session,   he  recalled  a  resolution   before  the                                                               
legislature  that  proposed  amending  Alaska's  Constitution  by                                                               
requiring  any new  taxes  or increases  to  taxes would  require                                                               
voter approval.  However, the  language requiring  voter approval                                                               
for any increases to taxes was removed by SJR 7.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:48:25 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR SHOWER  stated that the  legislature has  been discussing                                                               
tax issues for  years. He offered his view that  SJR 7 relates to                                                               
a broad-based  tax rather than  the marijuana tax, which  is more                                                               
of a  user fee.  He said  that the  state will  need to  enact an                                                               
income  tax,  sales tax,  or  other  tax  to pay  for  government                                                               
services.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:49:27 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. BARNHILL reviewed voter approval in other states on slide 3:                                                                
                                                                                                                                
        • Other States That Require Voter Approval of New                                                                       
          or Increased Taxes:                                                                                                   
           • Colorado (1992)                                                                                                    
           • "Taxpayer Bill of Rights" (TABOR)                                                                                  
           • Requires voter approval of new taxes and                                                                           
             increases to existing taxes at state and local                                                                     
             level                                                                                                              
          • Colorado voters approved marijuana tax in 2013                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
        • Missouri (1996)                                                                                                       
         • Requires voter approval of tax increases of                                                                          
            $50mm (adj. for inflation)                                                                                          
         • 2018 Proposition D, $400mm increase to gasoline                                                                      
            tax, defeated at polls                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
        • Washington (2001)                                                                                                     
          • Requires voter approval of certain increases to                                                                     
             real and personal property tax ("levy lid                                                                          
             lifts)                                                                                                             
          • In recent years, 75% of levy lid lifts have                                                                         
             been approved by voter                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BARNHILL directed  attention  to a  spreadsheet in  member's                                                               
packets that  listed taxes considered in  Colorado, Missouri, and                                                               
Washington. He  reported that  5 of 15  tax proposals  put before                                                               
the  voters  in Colorado  were  approved  and  3 of  11  measures                                                               
Missouri put before the voters were approved.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:51:25 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. BARNHILL reviewed considerations on slide 4:                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
        • Considerations:                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
        • Voter consent to new taxes may increase tax                                                                           
          compliance                                                                                                            
          • Hug & Sporri, "Referendums, Trust and Tax                                                                           
             Evasion," European J. of Pol. Econ. (Mar. 2011)                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
        • Requirement of    voter   consent    can   delay                                                                      
         implementation and collection of new revenues                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
        • National Council of State Legislatures has                                                                            
          considered generally the pros and cons of "tax                                                                        
          and expenditure limitations"                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:52:06 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. BARNHILL  referred to the  Hug &  Sporri study listed  on the                                                               
slide.  This study  showed tax  compliance actually  increased in                                                               
those countries  in which the voters  were asked to consent  to a                                                               
new tax.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:52:28 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. BARNHILL stated  that delays in enacting  new taxes requiring                                                               
voter approval could be disruptive  to governments during revenue                                                               
shortfalls.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BARNHILL  pointed   to  the  pros  and  cons   of  "Tax  and                                                               
Expenditure Limitations" shown on slides  5 and 6. He stated that                                                               
this information is  posted on NCSL's website,  which members can                                                               
review.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:53:17 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR   HUGHES  asked   if  any   studies   found  that   voter                                                               
participation increases when tax proposals are on the ballot.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARNHILL answered  that he was unsure of any  studies, but it                                                               
makes sense that more voters would come to the polls.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:53:44 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HOLLAND opened public testimony on SJR 7.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:54:08 PM                                                                                                                    
MIKE COONS,  President, Association  of Mature  American Citizens                                                               
(AMAC), Mat-Su  Chapter, Palmer, Alaska,  read into the  record a                                                               
letter by Bob Carlson, President, AMAC Action to Senator Hughes                                                                 
[Original punctuation provided]:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     We  are   pleased  to  support  SJR   7,  proposing  an                                                                    
     amendment to  the Constitution of  the State  of Alaska                                                                    
     to prohibit the establishment  of state tax without the                                                                    
     approval  of the  voters  of  the state.  Specifically,                                                                    
     this  amendment provides  the  citizens  of Alaska  the                                                                    
     right to  reject, by  popular vote, a  new tax.  And if                                                                    
     they approve it, the amendment  provides for a check by                                                                    
     the legislature before such a tax could take effect.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
      This is an excellent approach to preventing runaway                                                                       
      taxation and it serves well to protect Alaskans, and                                                                      
     specifically seniors on fixed and modest income.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     I am pleased to offer our organization's full support                                                                      
     for SJR 7.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Bob Carlson, President                                                                                                     
     AMAC Action                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. COONS  said AMAC's Mat-Su  Chapter membership  fully supports                                                               
SJR 7.  He offered his belief  that the people run  government by                                                               
telling government what  to do. SJR 7 provides the  means for the                                                               
voters to make the final decisions on any new taxes in Alaska.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:56:55 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  HOLLAND  stated  that those  wishing  to  provide  written                                                               
testimony could submit them to senate.judiciary@akleg.gov.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:57:07 PM                                                                                                                    
BERT  HOUGHTALING, representing  self, Big  Lake, Alaska,  stated                                                               
that  he supports  voter approval  of any  new taxes  or any  old                                                               
taxes since  taxes affect Alaskans.  For example, the  House Ways                                                               
and Means Committee is currently  discussing statutory changes to                                                               
implement taxes. Alaskans will not  vote on it if the legislature                                                               
passes a  tax bill. SJR 7  will ensure that legislators  will not                                                               
make  decisions on  new taxes  without  first obtaining  approval                                                               
from Alaskans.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:59:05 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HOLLAND closed public testimony on SJR 7.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:59:14 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL said he still  has questions about what constitutes                                                               
a new tax and how SJR 7 will affect local taxes.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
[SJR 7 was held in committee.]                                                                                                  

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
SJR5 - Testimony - Apr 30.pdf SJUD 4/30/2021 1:30:00 PM
SJR 5